Back in the day, it seemed like folks could disagree on a lot of things, but still find ways to coexist. People didn’t always insist on their relationships being contingent upon harmonious politics or beliefs. Things have changed. In today’s polarized society, it can feel nearly impossible to find common ground with folks who don’t share our views on big issues, especially when those folks are the people closest to us. For many families, political beliefs, racism, gender discrimination, and other hot button topics can cause personal rifts that can tear a family apart. In this episode, we discuss how to have healthy disagreements with family members when diverging views on big issues make basic conversations extremely difficult.
In our eleventh episode we discuss the issue of representation in media and culture. The case in point for our conversation is the Danish dubbing of the Disney Pixar film Soul, released in 2020. The main character in Soul is Joe Gardner, a black jazz musician and music teacher from Brooklyn, NY. As is the standard for animated films from Disney, the film has been dubbed in several other languages. While the original version of Soul stars Jamie Foxx in the lead role, in Denmark, the voice actor cast as Joe Gardner for the Danish dubbing is Nikolaj Lie Kaas, one of the most well known Danish actors of his generation. Kaas is also white.
There has been some controversy regarding the casting of Lie Kaas to voice the role of a Black character, and rightfully so. As we discuss on this episode of Dialectic Peoples, representation matters. Why should the first black main character of a Pixar film be voiced by a white actor? Why not give the opportunity to represent a black voice to a black actor, regardless of language? Are performers of color in Denmark or elsewhere in Europe simply not good enough? Not famous enough? Not available?
While one unfamiliar with Denmark might think that it’s a question of availability, the assumption that there aren’t any qualified actors of color to voice the roles of characters of color in European languages is flatly wrong. Denmark, as well as other nations in the EU have plenty of talented performers of color. The question of their prestige or familiarity with audiences is not a matter talent or skill, but rather of opportunity. The casting agencies responsible for putting white actors to work dubbing the voices of black characters could have offered an opportunity to an actor of color – there were plenty available, if the not proven by the diversity (although minimal) in the casting of minor roles for the Danish dubbing of the film. Dialectic Peoples very own Kuku Agami and his older brother Al Agami both played minor roles in the Danish dub.
Ultimately, while Kaas did give a capable performance, his casting in the role of a Black character is evidence of a lack of representation in the entertainment industry in Denmark. In such a rare instance, where a black character is front and center in an animated feature film from none other than Disney, the chance for an actor of color to have a leading role could have been a star-making performance. Unfortunately that opportunity was missed. However, there is an opportunity to at least open the conversation about representation in the Danish context, and we are not letting it go to waste.
Listen to Episode 11: Represent, Represent! to hear the full discussion. Stick around for our second Q&A session, where we also discuss questions from our audience on the topic.
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In Episode 5, we talk about the motives, intentions and economic incentives in so-called “antiracism” and activism in the rapidly evolving debate on racial justice. So many people are desperate to know what they can do to not be racist. Brands and organizations have gone out of their way to appear as positive actors in a precarious racial discourse. Books about systemic racism, such as Robin D’Angelo’s White Fragility have been selling out of bookstores in recent months.
It has become morally hazardous to be perceived as racist in any way, and while widespread intolerance of racism important, that cannot be the only driving factor for trying to be antiracist. Actually fighting against racism through productive dialogue and responsible behavior is vastly more important that just appearing to do so.
Words can inspire great deeds, heroic actions, and confidence in us all as individuals but also as groups within society, and within society itself.
They can motivate us to do the right thing in the face of massive resistance, and help us find the strength needed to overcome any challenges.
We can choose to use words inclusively, to build bridges, and influence the lives of our fellow human beings in a positive manner, create understanding, and common ground where it may have been extinguished or absent.
The opposite is also true and throughout history, we have seen how words have been used to justify and legitimize vicious, and barbaric acts of violence, murder, and systemic oppression denying certain groups in society, equal opportunities, and or other basic human rights based on their gender, religion or ethnicity.
Ever since the murder of George Floyd, one of the words we have been unable to escape and rightly so is Racism.
It has been used often, defined, and explained but yet it still seems to be willfully misunderstood.
Is the lack of consensus or the “misunderstanding” simply based on ignorance or the immense complexities of the term Systemic Racism? Is it a collective, societal denial, a refusal to acknowledge society’s actions, and the consequence thereof, thereby absolving anyone of blame or the shame? Or is the pushback, a counteraction, by malevolent forces in society who are not willing to relinquish their privileges so that others may share those exact same privileges, or do all of these reasons intersect.
Whatever the answer, words matter!
They are our tools and they have been weaponized in this struggle. They can help us move forward or keep us in an endless loop that keeps reproducing the same outcomes.
In Episode 3 of the Dialectic Peoples podcast, we discuss a word that is perhaps the most contraversial word in the English language – the “N” word. Usage, translation, history, context – all the ways in which this powerful word has plagued and empowered the people who have used it and those whom it has been used against.
Disclaimer: There is use of language in this episode that some may find offensive. We encourage listeners to use their discretion.
Notice: We experienced some technical difficulties at the beginning of the recording, so there are some elements of noise in the first 5 minutes that will affect sound quality. Thank you for your patience.
In the wake of the George Floyd’s unjust and tragic killing at the hands of police, a wave of civil unrest, nay, rebellion against racism has erupted across the United States and the rest of the world. We are experiencing a moment of paradigmatic revolution, both in the consciousness of our culture and in the physical spaces we share. Statues – the tangible monuments to figures of historical significance (or notoriety, if not outright infamy) – have adorned the public squares of cities all across the world. Statues celebrate the purported history, if not the mythology of figures whose impact has been deemed worthy of remembrance.
However, when historical figures have risen to fame or power in the context of systemic racism, when they are guilty of high crimes and treachery and malevolence against other human beings, we ought to think critically about how their stories are presented in public fora, and whether such statues that pay them tribute ought to exist at all.
Our second episode is an honest discussion of the topic of statues. Where the discourse has been largely uncritical until recent months, we at Dialectic Peoples are ready to elevate the debate.
Let’s get in to it.
Links for Episode 2: Statues
Artikel De Conincks vej i Sjællandske Nyheder, heri også link til radioprogram:
Anders Jerichow’s debatindlæg i Politiken, men gemt bag betalingsvæg
12 bygninger der trækker spor til vores tid som slavenation:
I am queen Mary
MYTE – VAR DANMARK DET FØRSTE LAND DER OPHÆVEDE SLAVERIET (Danish)
Queen Mary, Queen Agnes, Queen Mathilda (DANISH)
Book: Exterminate All The Brutes by Sven Lindqvist
Ken Burns on statues
The truth about the Confederacy
Welcome to the first episode of the Dialectic Peoples podcast. In our first episode, naturally, we introduce ourselves and our show concept. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the word dialectic means:
“the art of investigating or discussing the truth of opinions.”
At a time where the world has taken to the streets in protest of racism and decrying police brutality against black people, there is no shortage of widely diverging opinions, but there seems to be a surprising lack of clarity around the truth. While no one can deny the shocking and devastating reality surrounding George Floyd’s gruesome death at the hands of police officers, the truth about racism, its root causes and systemic nature is a newfound concept for many. For those who have joined the cause of #BlackLivesMatter in vehement protest of racism, questions about how we can most effectively win the fight remain a hotly debated topic.
In our debut episode of this podcast, we attempt to get at the central truth about protest and systemic racism, both from the American perspective and also in the context of Denmark and the local iteration of BlackLivesMatterDK.
Gary Young – What black america means to europe
Why do light skinned women dominate the pop-charts
Danish sociology article
Peter Hervik – Race “race” racialisering, racisme, og nyracisme