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Episode 11: Represent, Represent!

In our eleventh episode we discuss the issue of representation in media and culture. The case in point for our conversation is the Danish dubbing of the Disney Pixar film Soul, released in 2020. The main character in Soul is Joe Gardner, a black jazz musician and music teacher from Brooklyn, NY. As is the standard for animated films from Disney, the film has been dubbed in several other languages. While the original version of Soul stars Jamie Foxx in the lead role, in Denmark, the voice actor cast as Joe Gardner for the Danish dubbing is Nikolaj Lie Kaas, one of the most well known Danish actors of his generation. Kaas is also white.

There has been some controversy regarding the casting of Lie Kaas to voice the role of a Black character, and rightfully so. As we discuss on this episode of Dialectic Peoples, representation matters. Why should the first black main character of a Pixar film be voiced by a white actor? Why not give the opportunity to represent a black voice to a black actor, regardless of language? Are performers of color in Denmark or elsewhere in Europe simply not good enough? Not famous enough? Not available?

The question of their prestige or familiarity with audiences is not a matter talent or skill, but rather of opportunity.

While one unfamiliar with Denmark might think that it’s a question of availability, the assumption that there aren’t any qualified actors of color to voice the roles of characters of color in European languages is flatly wrong. Denmark, as well as other nations in the EU have plenty of talented performers of color. The question of their prestige or familiarity with audiences is not a matter talent or skill, but rather of opportunity. The casting agencies responsible for putting white actors to work dubbing the voices of black characters could have offered an opportunity to an actor of color – there were plenty available, if the not proven by the diversity (although minimal) in the casting of minor roles for the Danish dubbing of the film. Dialectic Peoples very own Kuku Agami and his older brother Al Agami both played minor roles in the Danish dub.

Ultimately, while Kaas did give a capable performance, his casting in the role of a Black character is evidence of a lack of representation in the entertainment industry in Denmark. In such a rare instance, where a black character is front and center in an animated feature film from none other than Disney, the chance for an actor of color to have a leading role could have been a star-making performance. Unfortunately that opportunity was missed. However, there is an opportunity to at least open the conversation about representation in the Danish context, and we are not letting it go to waste.

Listen to Episode 11: Represent, Represent! to hear the full discussion. Stick around for our second Q&A session, where we also discuss questions from our audience on the topic.

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Episode 2: Statues

And we’re back. Episode 2: Statues is now available for download or streaming here on our website or on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, or Spotify.

We want to send a special shout out to Copenhagen beatmaker Boef1 who has so graciously and generously infused our podcast with some really dope beats. Check out his music on Bandcamp!

Boef1 on Bandcamp

In the wake of the George Floyd’s unjust and tragic killing at the hands of police, a wave of civil unrest, nay, rebellion against racism has erupted across the United States and the rest of the world. We are experiencing a moment of paradigmatic revolution, both in the consciousness of our culture and in the physical spaces we share. Statues – the tangible monuments to figures of historical significance (or notoriety, if not outright infamy) – have adorned the public squares of cities all across the world. Statues celebrate the purported history, if not the mythology of figures whose impact has been deemed worthy of remembrance.

However, when historical figures have risen to fame or power in the context of systemic racism, when they are guilty of high crimes and treachery and malevolence against other human beings, we ought to think critically about how their stories are presented in public fora, and whether such statues that pay them tribute ought to exist at all.

Our second episode is an honest discussion of the topic of statues. Where the discourse has been largely uncritical until recent months, we at Dialectic Peoples are ready to elevate the debate.

Let’s get in to it.


Links for Episode 2: Statues

Dansk

Artikel De Conincks vej i Sjællandske Nyheder, heri også link til radioprogram:

Anders Jerichow’s debatindlæg i Politiken, men gemt bag betalingsvæg

12 bygninger der trækker spor til vores tid som slavenation:

I am queen Mary

http://www.sortsamvittighed.dk/

MYTE – VAR DANMARK DET FØRSTE LAND DER OPHÆVEDE SLAVERIET (Danish)

https://danmarkshistorien.dk/leksikon-og-kilder/vis/materiale/myte-var-danmark-det-foerste-land-der-ophaevede-slaveriet/

Queen Mary, Queen Agnes, Queen Mathilda (DANISH)

http://www.sortsamvittighed.dk/tre-dronninger.html

English

Book: Exterminate All The Brutes by Sven Lindqvist

Ken Burns on statues

The truth about the Confederacy

THREE QUEENS